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problem with elevator KONE after change bearings

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(@The supervisor)
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The staeps we did after we installed the machine :

I.BEFORE we install the ropes :
1.Unplug the cable of the tacho (in the drive ) and check that the value of 6_10 is the same as the one in the drive (-2.704v) - done with no problems
2Unplug the cable of the tacho (in the drive) and switch the jumper S5 (next to the tacho) on 1-2 (test) and manualy rotating the machice to make sure we have correct signal on RPOL - done with no problems
3Plug the cable of the tacho (in the drive) and switch the jumper S5 (next to the tacho) on 2-3(normal) and manualy rotating the machine to make sure we have correct signal on TPOL - done with no problems
4Star menu 6-70 (adjusting resolver angle) and follow the beeping signal (4 beeps - up until it stops and 2 beeps down until stops) until the beeping signal stops and the angle is adjusted and check the angle in menu 6_61 - done with no problems
5We instal the ropes

II AFTER the ropes are installed :

1Start menu 6_70 again and follow the signal until the angle is adjusting and check the angle in the menu 6_61 - we had no problems with that
2.We adjusted LWD - we had no problems with that - now the elevator works correctly on both direction on inspection mode
3We check the speed on the inspection mode in 0.3 - menu 6_21
4We move the car just bellow bottom floor (61N signal is off - 61U,30 and 77N are on) - and start the menu 5_2 - 1(to start learning mode) - The car starts learing mode without problem and start moving up
5After reaching topmost floor the elevator stops - at this point this means the the elevator is ready for normal mode - here we have a problem - At this point the menu shows error 0109 and 0083 and if we leaved still on normal the elevator start to releveling on the floor (61N, 30 and 61U signals on and 77U on).After this point the elevator lost possition and cannot start

The only way to move it is on inspection and do again step 4..We made alot of tests - with magnets, with 61N,61U,30 ,77U and 77N signals, with tacho, we even switch the Drive board and installed it on the other elevator(and the board works correctly on the other elevator) - and we still get the same error once the elevator finish learning mode - 0109 and 0083



   
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(@rollaway-up)
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Ok sounds like you're doing the right things, ill have to think some more.



   
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(@The supervisor)
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thank you



   
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 jkh
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TS,
Are you using a written shaft learn procedure from Kone?

I believe 0083 & 0109 error codes indicate your elevator is getting lost during your shaft learn. This could be related to how you are performing the shaft learn.

It's the 113 & 117 error codes that are jumping out at me. I'm not sure but I think they are related to the sequence of your shaft way switches are made.

This has been sitting in the back of my mind since your first post. Is the drive a Yaskawa G5?



   
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(@greg70)
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Sounds like not accepting learn check motor terminals as I have had that cause not to learn shaft properly



   
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(@The supervisor)
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greg70 we check motor terminalas any times.

JKH the drive is V3F18



   
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(@The supervisor)
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We almost sure that problem in is resolver, but when I open machine again we see resolver with white magnetic. In the site of Kone magnetic with black magnetis. I am not sure what is differnt.
Do you know number part or differnt of magnetics?



   
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(@Kone D)
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I would call kone and have them fix it for you and ask what was wrong. We fix elevators for other companies and vice versa when ever it's a high priority job. Just fixed a st for schindler last week and put in a digital drive in a st for otis. We all need help sometime especially me.



   
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(@The supervisor)
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unfortunetly the local Kone cannot to help us and this is not first case



   
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(@kiwinightstalker)
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Why wont they help???...is there some previous problems that you have had with them..usually a company will jump at the chance to make some money!!!



   
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(@The supervisor)
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I do not know why, but whenever we call for service or parts thereof have not received any response or refused.
Their only problem is that we're competition. We have not refused assistance.



   
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(@The supervisor)
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Unfortunetly we change resolver,but nothing.
we see only error 117. How we can cleaning absolute?

Last edited by The supervisor; 05/24/14 02:47 AM.


   
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(@ThyssenKrapp)
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Think i had a nightmare like this once.



   
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(@ThyssenKrapp)
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117 drive setup fault-Reset setup from drive 6-16>4

Bad comm's cable LCE to Drive?? Incorrect Parameters in drive??

This job sounds like a living hell!!!



   
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(@The supervisor)
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Unfortunatly - yes.
thank you

Last edited by The supervisor; 05/24/14 07:52 PM.


   
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