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 jkh
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If its true, then that accident has claimed another life.



   
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(@uppo72)
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yeah vic im talking about recertification yearly.im not for it. im all for what we called tool box talks weekly ie when we handed in our time sheets we did an hour of talks to reiterate procedures that we use. all personel sign the form to say they did the talk and by signing the form you are saying you understand the procedures in discussion.it however doesn't stop mistakes happening and from that pov maybe the time out shorts ar the way to go.



   
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 Vic
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Sounds good



   
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 jkh
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Uppo & Vic
I agree that there is more to a mechanic then how high he scores on a written test. I am also in favor of continuos education. I do have a suggestion I would value your opinion on. Maybe there is something out there like it already even?
My suggestion is to develope a computer program to work as follows;
The program would have several sections that have a short training video with a question & answer section at the end. If a question is answered incorrectly that section will have to be reviewed again before you could move to the next section. Once you completed each section and answered each sections questions correctly you are done.
This could be a web based program that each mechanic could complete at the office or on the road. It could be done annually, bi-annually, quarterly or as frequently as deemed. This type of program could easily be adopted as a accredited continuos education by National or State jurisdiction.
Feel free to tell me that "my cheese has slid off my cracker". Or expand on this concept.



   
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The timeout jumper WILL not stop accidents..the bloody circuit is STILL bridged out...doesnt matter that its 5 mins or 5 seconds if you forget to take it off the circuit is STILL BRIDGED!!! and therefore can cause an accident.



   
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JKH- I like the idea. Kiwinightstalker the TOJ is as dangerous as any jumper when Bridged. No dought about it. But to say it will not stop accidents?????? if a TOJ is set for 5 min while a mechanic spots a car to repair an interlock lets say 10 minutes work. And then forgets to remove his jumper, Well it has already timed out and is harmless!!!!!!! It is not jumped for hours days weeks. Surely this is thousands of times safer!!!



   
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On the surface the TOJ sounds like a great idea for Maintenance, but could see where it could become a pain, like for instance intermittant problems on ETS, NTS, Drive issues, etc..

But for start ups on new construction and mods, when you have everything jumped out, just to get a running platform, to install hatch equipment, etc...I can see where it could become a real Pain in the A$$....

No matter what your ideas on this subject, it all boils down to if you're going to use a jumper, have control of the car, the doors, make sure no passengers are aboard.

If you must...Car in overhead, etc...make sure you are in constant contact with passengers..

.And lastly..Jumper awareness...Know how many you had when you walk in that room, and have the same number when you leave.



   
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(@uppo72)
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Originally Posted By: jkh
Uppo & Vic
I agree that there is more to a mechanic then how high he scores on a written test. I am also in favor of continuos education. I do have a suggestion I would value your opinion on. Maybe there is something out there like it already even?
My suggestion is to develope a computer program to work as follows;
The program would have several sections that have a short training video with a question & answer section at the end. If a question is answered incorrectly that section will have to be reviewed again before you could move to the next section. Once you completed each section and answered each sections questions correctly you are done.
This could be a web based program that each mechanic could complete at the office or on the road. It could be done annually, bi-annually, quarterly or as frequently as deemed. This type of program could easily be adopted as a accredited continuos education by National or State jurisdiction.
Feel free to tell me that "my cheese has slid off my cracker". Or expand on this concept.

jkh good idea as its similar to some site induction courses ive have to do. you could adapt such programs to suit different types of employees as well.



   
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Originally Posted By: Broke_Sheave
On the surface the TOJ sounds like a great idea for Maintenance, but could see where it could become a pain, like for instance intermittant problems on ETS, NTS, Drive issues, etc..

But for start ups on new construction and mods, when you have everything jumped out, just to get a running platform, to install hatch equipment, etc...I can see where it could become a real Pain in the A$$....

No matter what your ideas on this subject, it all boils down to if you're going to use a jumper, have control of the car, the doors, make sure no passengers are aboard.

If you must...Car in overhead, etc...make sure you are in constant contact with passengers..

.And lastly..Jumper awareness...Know how many you had when you walk in that room, and have the same number when you leave.

yes broke. otis used jumper kits with your name on them and outlawed use of other shorts. however this does not stop mistakes. i still like the idea of short signs on the inside m/room door that you slide on or turn over when you have placed a short on a controller to remind you when you leave. with a mrl maybe place it on the outside door.



   
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 jkh
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Uppo
I too have had this type of corse before entering a industrial site. B



   
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