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 christycollett
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Topic starter 04/02/2012 9:30 am   [#2472]
Check out the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYE4Qm0g30

I also noticed the so called elevator expert used only one jumper so the car could run with doors open. I checked out some MCE diagrams from the 1990s and it looks like it only takes one jumper to disable both locks and gate switch. I could be wrong.

Work Safe & Count Your Jumpers,

Jim



   
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 Broke_Sheave
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04/02/2012 10:34 am  
Wow..Another link with the poor SOB's pic..
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/repairman_arraigned_in_christmas_CDe1OHwS5mi6vT9B0NQiHP
Mo mention of the company..

I believe there was 2 incidents this one was a year earlier. The later one about 6 weeks ago, I believe was Transel elevator company...(Local 1)..on Madison avenue..The lady passenger died..

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/15/gruesome-elevator-accidents-reveal-new-york-nightmare/

Meanwhile... It's hurry, hurry, hurry...Believe me..Slow the hell down. I've personally seen somebody involved in one of these accidents and their lives are never the same..

Like this one...
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/elevator.asp
Kone Local 31)
The story going around was a rewire of a 6850 traveling cable selector. A couple of wires got crossed. The car ran for a few days with no problems, but a sneak circuit showed up allowing the car to run with the doors open on an upside down call in a particular zone..

Slow the hell down...I couldn't imagine having this on my consious, just to save the company a couple of bucks, or to get off a few minutes early..

Be careful guys..



   
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 Vic
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06/02/2012 4:51 am  
I sent the link to all my company, and asked them to respond by pointing out what that guy could have done differently, to prevent that from occuring. (Many things could have been done differently, of course, but posing the question engages the brain)



   
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 uppo72
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06/02/2012 8:46 am  
this is a classic example of why when we in australia were/are regulated to have a lr(lock relay)terminal point,going to a lr relay going to drive ccts, in between the 2 landing door locks so you CANNOT short both locks with 1 wire inadvertantly or not. it makes you consider what you are doing.



   
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 Vic
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06/02/2012 12:27 pm  
Uppo, in California, we now have "door lock contact monitoring", to prevent the car from running with a jumper on the locks. I think it should be retroactive to older units.



   
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 uppo72
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06/02/2012 8:11 pm  
yeah vic its a good idea that was absolutely drummed into us. you discribe that it is good to do to the older lifts and it should be mandated on all lifts and frankly its not hard. we now do this on the new lifts that come out by attaching a relay from the 1st terminal lock test point(mid point) to a relay and then that relay n/o contact we put in series with either drive ccts and/or the end of the other landing door lock or car door lock.its a ten minute fix. i watched that video and felt horrified for the passenger and also angry at the mechanic for doing a runner. he pannicked which i can understand but when people are screaming first and foremost you do the right thing.will you guys get regulated and do you think its the right thing to do?

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 Broke_Sheave
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06/02/2012 11:44 pm  
Personally I think NEIP courses are sufficient. It's grown to like a 5 year course to obtain an elevator mechanics card in North America. The individual state licenses, from what I've seen, is just another way for the states to generate revenue, or for the locals to preserve work.



   
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 uppo72
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07/02/2012 7:04 am  
agree broke have a competency based training system but they also wanted yearly retesting which is crap. i dont see any reason why this could be fair as i dont see any accountant having to resit his quals.i would have toolbox talks on a regular basis to reiterate company policies/safety procedures at company levels, ie never short more than 1 lock at a time by yourself and if you need to short 2 locks it must be done with a helper on that level with communication between the 2.companies must do the right thing and instill this type of internal regulation.



   
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 Scott Davidson
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29/02/2012 8:47 am  
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_20054530

here is the latest regarding this accident



   
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 Vic
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29/02/2012 1:18 pm  
Originally Posted By: uppo72
yeah vic its a good idea that was absolutely drummed into us. you discribe that it is good to do to the older lifts and it should be mandated on all lifts and frankly its not hard. we now do this on the new lifts that come out by attaching a relay from the 1st terminal lock test point(mid point) to a relay and then that relay n/o contact we put in series with either drive ccts and/or the end of the other landing door lock or car door lock.its a ten minute fix. i watched that video and felt horrified for the passenger and also angry at the mechanic for doing a runner. he pannicked which i can understand but when people are screaming first and foremost you do the right thing.will you guys get regulated and do you think its the right thing to do?

I don't mind the regulations, it's needed



   
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 uppo72
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29/02/2012 3:04 pm  
imo re-regulation ie yearly testing, will not stop mechanics just making mistakes. by having company toolbox talks to reiterate procedures is a more active way to remind mechanics of what to do and what not to do. by having yearly testing will just be a bureaucracy layer that is not needed.by all means have a independant qualification system but not 1 that needs recertification.

just my view.

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 Broke_Sheave
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29/02/2012 10:44 pm  
I thought it strange, when I took the mechanics test years and years ago, that they would give a test that covered every course you took over the entire time period. Kind of like getting your bachelors in college, and then having to take a final test that covers every course you took to get the sheepskin.

If we do it, it might be advantageous for managers, to go through a yearly recertification..

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 Vic
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01/03/2012 9:11 am  
Originally Posted By: uppo72
imo re-regulation ie yearly testing, will not stop mechanics just making mistakes. by having company toolbox talks to reiterate procedures is a more active way to remind mechanics of what to do and what not to do. by having yearly testing will just be a bureaucracy layer that is not needed.by all means have a independant qualification system but not 1 that needs recertification.

just my view.

Oh, I see, you mean re-testing. No, I don't think we need to go that far. Just yearly reviews, like we have in California. That's enough to keep existing mechanics thinking about safety, and up on the latest codes, etc.



   
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 danzeitz
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01/03/2012 8:17 pm  
I still say that we need to have the Time Out Jumper mandated as the only jumper used in our industry! One mistake and a death occures and a career is ruined. You can not stop people forgetting so we must do all that is available to keep our people and riding public safe. The DA is still investagating the Hart death and may press charges. This elevator man could not only loose his career but his freedom for a mistake!!!! You can be a drunken NFL player and kill a women with your car and walk away. But an elevator man forgets something and goes to jail.!!!!



   
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 Vic
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01/03/2012 11:24 pm  
I heard we got an email from the union, that says he committed suicide. But let me verify that today.



   
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