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(@danzeitz)
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Well guys it is my yearly climb upon the soap box to ask the leaders in safety in our indusrty what does it take to get your attension. A year after Suzanne Harts death in New York. The Time Out Jumper is still being ignored!The current methods of prevention for Jumper Left Behind Accidents dont work!!! the TOJ has been on the market since 2009. And still does not even get a mention as a possible solution to a problem that hurts and kills our people and the riding public every year.The TOJ works on any circuit anywhere in an elevator or escalator not just on some circuits in the machine room. Why is their not even a mention of the TOJ in yearly mandated safety training. Please check out Wurtec.com for more information.



   
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(@sbrmilitia)
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I can see this sceniro happening, Im not walking back up the machine room to get that jumper it will time itself out.



   
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(@danzeitz)
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If that were to happen the Jumpers are coded as to what company and then to what mechanic it was assinged.But timed out it is harmless not so with what we are supplied now.



   
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(@E-man)
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I don't think company's are going to approve the TOJ. I like the idea because of the fact that it could prevent an accident. I don't think companies are want another form of liability. Who's responsible if the TOJ malfunctions? The mechanic ultimately but, he was under the assumption that it would time out and the circuit would open. So it's purpose is to prevent accidents if someone made the mistake of leaving one on - if it worked. Who would people sue? Wurtec? Company? Mechanic? All of the above?



   
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(@Robert Krieger)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Ohm

Like Georg Ohm, it would seem that the Time Out Jumper is something people will one day accept as a safety device.

A study of labor will point out that Hard Hats were first made by the laborers of the Bolder Dam Project and when the 1400 workers asked they be provided with them, they were laid off. Now, Hard hats are a part of Personal Protective equipment, just as the TOJ should be.

The value of such a product can only be simply seen by those who see real life adventures in the controllers and machine rooms. Like seat belts in automobiles, the life they save might be yours.

Using product liability as a reason not to use such a pragmatic safety device is like the person who refused to prepare for an earthquake because it might give them a false sense of security.

Please accept my personal commendation and respect for having done something about it.

(I still see people throwing lit cigarettes out of moving cars.)

Basically if the person does not have the authority to say yes, they do not have the authority to say no to using your device. If that person has the authority to say yes and chooses an incentive check over the safety of employees in their charge, I am confident that the universal boomerang theorem will apply personally in their lives and like hot coals on their heads remind them of the greed for all the days of their lives.

Respectfully Submitted,

Robert L Krieger Jr.



   
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(@danzeitz)
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Hello Robert, Thanks for your words. E-Man if the TOJ is in total failure the absolute worst you would end up with is exactly what we have been using for the last 120 years a jumper that cannot open itself up. So if the TOJ failed every 20 million times it was used that is 19,999,999 times that it worked and opened and took itself out of use. Something no ordinary jumper can do. Almost every elevator man I know has a jumper story some the TOJ would of helped some not. But according to my research in the US alone a very conservative number is a death every 3 years. And if the US is 10% of the world market that means 3 deaths a year world wide. With hundreds of injuries.



   
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(@E-man)
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I agree danzeitz. It's a better way than the old fashion ones.



   
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(@billvator)
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they need to make a jumper that is "bluetooth" to the phone, you would have to turn it on and off with the phone of service tool, you get to far away you loose the signal and the jumper would shut off. that would be a great product.



   
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(@danzeitz)
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The patent for the Timeout Jumper covers this idea and more. The original version was produced as something to go to the majors with and then sit down and make changes as their needs dictated. But the answer has been more of what jumper problem we have no problem? When we have all seen efforts to limit the number of jumpers and tag jumpers with the mechanic's name and the new controllers that are less jumper dependent with car and hall door bypass switches. All of witch are good moves toward safer elevators. But the vast number of elevators are still jumper dependent.



   
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(@Broke_Sheave)
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check out page 105 of this
http://cstools.asme.org/csconnect/pdf/ANSI/BSR8/PublicReviewDraft1711.pdf

TN 08-634

Concerns tht SIL (Safety Integrity level. The way I read this is safety functions can be controlled by Electronics instead of hard wired relays. (Safety circuit? Doors?..Seems to me after careful reading)...Thoughts?

More on SIL rated PES.
http://content.martyweil.net/Elevator%20World%20Advertorial%201.pdf

As Dylan said.
"The times they are a changing"???

Last edited by Broke_Sheave; 03/23/13 12:15 AM.


   
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We first tried out momentary toggle switches on company issued jumpers. It was determined that this could lead to somebody taping or tie strapping the switch back.

We then implemented this procedure. It has served us well. It might not work for every company. We are not SUPPOSED to have any jumpers. The only company approved way to perform the annual, five year test, getting the car to floor level or troubleshooting that requires testing out safety circuits is to use our pendant. It is a standard pendant with a safe, up, and down button. The part that is different is a 10 port male plug that is wired into our pendants. These are the same pendants that we use for construction also. It will only plug into the corresponding 10 port female plug. We have installed a 10 port female plug on every contractual customer, every unit that we install and any on call customer that we take care of. Every mechanic has this pendant and the female plugs with them. The female port on the elevator controller is wired so that the male port of the pendant safe button only has power when the inspect circuit of the elevator is energized. With it wired this way the elevator can not operate on automatic. This is performed by using one of the female ports that is wired into the elevator controller as the run circuit supply before any safety string device and JUMPING it through a port of the male plug to the inspect circuit of the female port. The only way the female port can supply our pendant with power is if the car is turned to inspect.

We tested out a couple of versions of pendants with individual momentary toggle switches that would jump out each safety device sos, gov, stop, buffer, pit, switches. These were a little complicated and time consuming for each controller.It was then decided that if the technician could determine that the unit would run on inspect with the pendant, the technician SHOULD be able to determine which safety circuit was at fault. This makes it a lot quicker when performing the annual and five year testing. We only have to plug our pendant into our port.

The pendant that is mentioned above has worked out well for us. I would love to hear any other ideas, as I know this is not the best idea.



   
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(@Broke_Sheave)
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Originally Posted By: solidstate
We first tried out momentary toggle switches on company issued jumpers. It was determined that this could lead to somebody taping or tie strapping the switch back.

We then implemented this procedure. It has served us well. It might not work for every company. We are not SUPPOSED to have any jumpers. The only company approved way to perform the annual, five year test, getting the car to floor level or troubleshooting that requires testing out safety circuits is to use our pendant. It is a standard pendant with a safe, up, and down button. The part that is different is a 10 port male plug that is wired into our pendants. These are the same pendants that we use for construction also. It will only plug into the corresponding 10 port female plug. We have installed a 10 port female plug on every contractual customer, every unit that we install and any on call customer that we take care of. Every mechanic has this pendant and the female plugs with them. The female port on the elevator controller is wired so that the male port of the pendant safe button only has power when the inspect circuit of the elevator is energized. With it wired this way the elevator can not operate on automatic. This is performed by using one of the female ports that is wired into the elevator controller as the run circuit supply before any safety string device and JUMPING it through a port of the male plug to the inspect circuit of the female port. The only way the female port can supply our pendant with power is if the car is turned to inspect.

We tested out a couple of versions of pendants with individual momentary toggle switches that would jump out each safety device sos, gov, stop, buffer, pit, switches. These were a little complicated and time consuming for each controller.It was then decided that if the technician could determine that the unit would run on inspect with the pendant, the technician SHOULD be able to determine which safety circuit was at fault. This makes it a lot quicker when performing the annual and five year testing. We only have to plug our pendant into our port.

The pendant that is mentioned above has worked out well for us. I would love to hear any other ideas, as I know this is not the best idea.

An old company I worked for 30 some odd years ago had a similar plug installed in the in car inspection station. Circuit would only work when car was on inspection, but when on inspection we could run with pendant with the doors jumped out. Great for re-hanging doors. Alas, later code requirements made us pull them all out.

This seems like overkill for a piece of wire.
http://www.wurtec.com/asp/product.asp?item=15-505
Wonder what the cost would be? And if you had to set compounding on an old Open loop Otis, you need about 3 or 4 of them to do it properly.



   
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 Len
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Years ago when I used to work for Westinghouse..It was common practice..to find even after construction..circuits for running on inspection were ran off the back contacts of the top and bottom car call buttons..which was a great idea when you were doing any kind of door work or repairs during service...



   
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(@danzeitz)
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I know of 3 cases where elevator men are facing criminal charges over jumpers. Jail time and lose everything. Think about it.



   
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(@Broke_Sheave)
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My biggest vison is ANSI A17.1 concerning PES.(Lack of of any hardware for doors and safety circuit. ALL done in software. (Think some of the latest Big S products)

http://content.martyweil.net/Elevator%20World%20Advertorial%201.pdf

Question? (Which I havent seen addressed in code) IF ALL DOORS AND SAFETY FUNCTIONS are being monitored in software, without ANY HARDWARE RELAYS. Can you prgram your own software jumpers with their own time out timer variables programmed into the control?



   
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